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Steve Patterson's avatar

(From Twitter)

Universal politeness is a problem that makes the world worse.

Most people have a difficult time judging ideas, so they end up going along with whatever social framework the ideas are presented within. What ideas they take seriously is a social, not intellectual phenomenon. Therefore, what the "smart people" seem to respect gains immediate respect. The framework determines the discussion.

The problem arises when terrible ideas, presented by bad thinkers (or disingenuous ones) are treated with undeserved respect. It's like going along with a lie because you don't want to be rude. This happens all the time outside the world of ideas, and it's why we get "respected" martial artists who are incompetent, teaching other people to be incompetent.

In the worst cases, it's how you end up with priests abusing people for decades. Nobody wants to speak up, be rude, and risk rocking the boat.

I see it right now with the Rationalist AI Exterminationists. All the signs of a cult, including impending apocalypse and polycules.

Polite engagement with the ideas of the cult leader is not what's needed. In fact, if this is actually a cult, such behavior makes the world worse. What's needed is somebody saying "Wake up, dummies. You're trapped in a cult. The signs are there."

The correct response to Applewhite is not, "But what if the Earth *is* about to be spaded over by aliens?! We only get one shot at this..."

It's, "This guy has signs of mental illness and looks to be building a cult." If that's rude, then I'll be the rude one, and you can thank me in a few years.

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Erick Muller's avatar

I just saw you say this on a tweet

"Polite engagement with the ideas of the cult leader is not what's needed. In fact, if this is actually a cult, such behavior makes the world worse. What's needed is somebody saying 'Wake up, dummies. You're trapped in a cult. The signs are there.'"

I guess that answers my question on whether you plan to refute the rationale behind their predictions. To me this sounds anti-intellectual. It sounds a lot like what book burners would say, or progressive university students would say to justify banning people from speaking in schools. They also think to even engage with certain ideas would make the world worse.

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